have you president obama saying mitt romney is an experienced debater. he has been through this many times. and romney's campaign is saying obama gione of the best speakers to walk the earth, ever. >> we talked about this earlier, talking about biden's sharp special witty. even the number twos are doing a lot of praising right now. but for the most part, what we have heard is the managing of expectations. sort of the white house and the campaign, on the 'bama campaign suggesting that the president is rusty and hasn't debated anybody in four years. what do you make of that? >> president obama has been thinking that mitt romney would be his opponent, his entire presidency because mitt romney has been running for so long. but by the time the debate comes on wednesday night, both of the men will have had five straight days of prep preparation. they will be plenty prepared. they have everything they want to say -- >> i am having nightmare flashbacks. charlie, what do you think that the candidates need to be to be considered quote/unquote the winner? or will t